Marc Cebrian, former RCG employee, interviewed on WCTV

Today, I watched an hour-long interview of a Marc Cebrian. He was interviewed by Dawn Blue of Wadsworth Community TV (WCTV).

Marc Cebrian was a member of the United Church of God, and had been baptized by them.

In time, he felt UCG was not teaching enough of the biblical message. He then looked at PCG and RCG. After hearing more from David Pack, he became a member of the Restored Church of God.

Eventually he became an RCG employee involved in the television department in Wadsworth, Ohio and noticed prophetic errors.

Marc Cebrian mentioned that he and others had considered RCG’s prophetic failures as a test that they needed to endure. Yet, after multiple failures, he realized that David Pack’s messages contained too many errors. He also said the RCG ministers could not explain many of David Pack’s prophetic positions, and that those positions changed a lot. He also indicated that he could predict what RCG would say about a new teaching, that Marc suspected was wrong, one it was shown to be wrong.

Marc Cebrian said felt he should no longer support promoting error through his television editing role. Because of that and David Pack’s wrong declaration of David Pack declaring himself to be the Elijah, Marc Cebrian left.

In the interview he mentions that it was his recollection that RCG had 3500 members at its peak, but he last heard it had 1500 around the world. But he was not certain of the numbers.

He pointed out RCG ministerial hypocrisy related to double standards. He also dispelled various myths and other falsehoods some had about RCG. Basically he said that the members were nice people and were not violent. He, and Dawn Blue stated that RCG received proper permits for their buildings, etc. So, that should not be a conspiracy.

He was asked about PCG and basically said it was stricter than RCG and was wrong about its rules related to contact of non-PCG members.

Marc Cebrian properly asserted that the Bible proves that David Pack teachings show him to be false. He said that because of all of David Pack’s changes, RCG’s literature was almost all out of date, so that once someone who read it began to attend, they would find what they thought RCG taught on many prophetic matters was no longer so. He and Dawn Blue suggested that it ended up being some type of unintentional ‘bait and switch.’

Dawn Blue repeatedly brought up finances and Marc Cebrian explained tithing. He then got into RCG’s “common” teaching and explained how RCG would subtlety try look into people’s finances and try to pressure those with assets to provide more of them to RCG. He also mentioned that David Pack got angry with an RCG minister who ‘allowed’ a married member who sold a house to allow his wife to keep about $100,000 and not give it to RCG.

Marc Cebrian mentioned that RCG originally hoped to have a farm on its Wadsworth property, but later changed that as David Pack felt that the size of its Wadsworth properties fit with some temple dimensions in the Book of Ezekiel, and that since David Pack believed that he and Jesus would reign out of Wadsworth, that they did not have the space for a farm.

Apparently the farm was something that former WCG, UCG, and RCG minister, the late Dale Schurter, was supposed to be involved with. Marc Cebrian made positive statements about Dale Schurter, whom I also have met.

Anyway, Marc Cebrian made it clear that the numerous prophetic failures and explanations from RCG that he called “gobbledygook,” that there was no biblical way people should support David Pack.

While RCG hopes its public face is positive, David Pack has long coveted money and he has had real problems with numerous wrong predictions. See also a post from last year: RCG’s David Pack about to be proven wrong again and the article: RCG: Why Not the Restored Church of God?

David Pack is a false apostle and a false teacher. I have long believed that the following applied to him:

1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber. (2 Peter 2:1-3)

RCG’s destruction seems to be in process.

Though David Pack’s errors should be blatantly obvious to those who objectively look at them, it is not only those in RCG which have been tolerating major error in these last days (see also Do You Hold to Any of These Laodicean Prophetic Errors? and How does the Continuing Church of God differ from other Sabbatarian COG groups?).

Some items of possibly related interest may include:

RCG: Why Not the Restored Church of God? This group, led by David Pack, claims to be the most faithful. The information in this article suggests otherwise. Here is a version in the Spanish language: ¿Por qué no la Iglesia de Dios Restaurada?
Why Be Concerned About False and Heretical Leaders? There have been many false leaders–here is some of why you should be concerned about them. Here is a related article in the Spanish language ¿Por qué estar preocupado acerca de falsos y heréticos líderes?
The Elijah Heresies Does the Bible teach that there will be a future Elijah? Must it be Herbert W. Armstrong? Two related sermons are available Elijah: Prophecies and Heresies and Elijah, Herbert W. Armstrong, and CCOG.
How To Determine If Someone is a True Prophet of God There are many false prophets. How can Christians determine who is a true prophet? There is also a sermon-length video titled How to determine if someone is a true prophet of God. Here is a related link in Spanish/español: ¿Cómo determinar si alguien es un verdadero profeta de Dios?
Church of God Leaders on Prophets Have there been prophets throughout the church age? Are any supposed to be around in the last days? What have COG leaders stated or written about prophets? Here is a link to a related sermon: Church of God Leaders on Prophets.
Herbert W. Armstrong, the Philadelphia Church, & the Mantle Herbert Armstrong claims God had him raise the Philadelphia up. Are there reasons to believe that the Philadelphia mantle in now within the CCOG? Here is a link to a related sermon: Herbert W. Armstrong and the Philadelphia Mantle.
How does the Continuing Church of God differ from other Sabbatarian COG groups? There are scores of different groups claiming to be Church of God. How is the Continuing Church of God different?
Leading the Final Phase of the Work Matthew 24:14 will be fulfilled and RCG is not the group doing this. Who is leading the final phase of the work? What did Herbert Armstrong and the old WCG teach about that and about prophets? Does Bob Thiel meet the criteria that the Bible and the old WCG set? What is the proof? What has the Continuing Church of God been doing?
The Philadelphia Church Era was predominant circa 1933 A.D. to 1986 A.D. The old Radio Church of God and old Worldwide Church of God, now the remnant of that era is basically the most faithful in the Church of God, like who hold to the beliefs and practices of the Continuing Church of God.
The Laodicean Church Era has been predominant circa 1986 A.D. to present. The Laodiceans are non-Philadelphians who mainly descended from the old WCG or its offshoots. They do not properly understand the work or biblical prophecies and will face the Great Tribulation if they do not repent. One video of related interest is 17 Laodicean Errors in Prophecy. See also Do You Hold to Any of These Laodicean Prophetic Errors?
Are the Laodiceans the Modern Sadducees and Pharisees? Discusses similarities of the Sadducees and Pharisees to various COGs in this end-time.
Does the CCOG have the confirmed signs of Acts 2:17-18? Does any church have the confirmed dream and prophetic signs of Acts 2:17-18? Should one? Here is a link in the Spanish language: ¿Tiene la CCOG confirmadas las señales de Hechos 2: 17-18? Here is a link in the French language: Est-ce que l’Église Continue de Dieu confirme les signes d’Actes 2:17-18? A related sermon in the English language is also available: 17 Last Days’ Signs of the Holy Spirit.