JD Vance and Tim Walz debated, but . . .
Who won the Vance-Walz debate? Takeaways from a civil, substantive faceoff | Opinion https://t.co/KZ4OT9YVAU
— Miami Herald (@MiamiHerald) October 2, 2024
CBS hosted a debate last night between the leading presidential candidates vice presidential nominees. Here is some information about it:
October 2, 2024
Tuesday night’s vice-presidential debate between Republican JD Vance and Democrat Tim Walz felt like a civil and relatively restrained conversation about the issues at the top of American voters’ minds going into the 5 November election.
In that, it was unlike the two presidential debates earlier this year.
The two men spent much more time attacking the other’s running mate than each other during 90-plus minutes on the CBS News stage in New York.
Walz had a shaky start but hit his stride when talking about abortion and the Capitol riot.
But the even-tempered, policy-focused debate, with few political body blows, probably served Vance – a polished public speaker – best in the end.
If Vance was picked because he puts ideological meat on the bones of Trump’s conservative populism, on Tuesday night he put a polite, humble face on them, as well.
“Something these guys do is they make a lot of claims about if Donald Trump becomes president, all of these terrible consequences are going to ensue,” he said. “But in reality, Donald Trump was president. Inflation was low. Take-home pay was higher.” https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y0863ry88o
It is not a surprise that pro-abortion reporters consider that Tim Walz may have done his best when he pushed abortion.
As far as who “won” the debate, Wikipedia posted the following:
Debate winner Outlet Vance Walz Not sure CNN 51% 49% CBS 42% 41% 17% Respondants to post-debate polling considered Vance the winner.[272] He was declared the winner of the debate by columnists from The New York Times,[273] The Wall Street Journal,[274]The Los Angeles Times,[275] USA Today,[276] The Financial Times,[277] and Politico.[278] Fox News contributors Shannon Bream, Kayleigh McEnany and Trace Gallagher all agreed that Vance won the debate.[279] According to a poll conducted by The Washington Post, uncommitted swing state voters thought JD Vance performed better during the debate.[280] A columnist from MSNBC declared Walz the winner of the debate.[281]
Vance’s debate delivery was praised by pundits. Columnists from the Los Angeles Times, Reuters, and the Washington Post expressed surprise at Walz and Vance’s focus on policy and the level of civility they showed towards each other, contrasting it with the two contentious presidential debates.[282][283][284] Walz’s gaffe that he “made friends with school shooters” also received some attention. (2024 United States presidential debates. Wikipedia, accessed 10/02/24)
I watched parts of the debate last night and it appeared to me that Tim Walz was simply not up to it–it made me wonder how he could be Governor of Minnesota.
I also went over the complete transcript that CBS put online following the debate–here is a link: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/full-vp-debate-transcript-walz-vance-2024/ But there was no discussion about sin, the need for the nation to repent, Jesus, the kingdom of God, etc. in the debate transcript. The term “God” was used twice by JD Vance. Once related to a possible Iran attack, “God forbid, potentially launching against the United States as well” and the other time asking God to bless US voters.
As far as expected media bias, yes, that was there. Notice the following:
October 2, 2024
CBS News cut the debate microphone of Sen. J.D. Vance, R-Ohio, when he objected to an attempt by moderator Margaret Brennan to debate Vance on how Haitian immigrations obtained temporary status in Springfield, Ohio.
Vance pointed out to Brennan that CBS News had said it would be up to the two candidates — not moderators Brennan and Norah O’Donnell — to fact-check each other and the journalists would encourage them to do so at Tuesday night’s vice presidential debate.
Vance called out CBS News for breaking the rules it had set down, then had his mic cut. https://www.newsmax.com/us/debate-cbs-j-d-vance/2024/10/02/id/1182526/
That said, some believe that the Harris-Walz ticket is what the USA needs, where as others believe that Trump-Vance is what the USA needs. Others say anyone but Donald Trump, while many feel that Kamala Harris is not up to doing the job.
As long time readers of this COGwriter Church of God News page are aware, as posted here many times before, I consider that Donald Trump and Kamala Harris are evil.
Without going into unique specifics, let’s consider how they are similar:
- They do not live like a member of their professed faiths is supposed to try to live.
- They support LGBTQ rights.
- They have not called for national repentance.
- They have not sought first the Kingdom of God.
- One is an adulterer and the other an adulteress.
- They have all been involved in Administrations that greatly increased USA debt.
- They have all been involved in Administrations that have upset the Europeans.
- They have all been accused of hypocrisy.
- They both make a lot of public lies.
- None have the real solutions for what the USA needs.
Now, I am not trying to say that there are no differences. Yes, I know they have differing economic and climate policies as well as different views on abortion and racial matters.
As far as being hypocritical goes, the Book of Job teaches:
13 … And the hope of the hypocrite shall perish, (Job 8:13)
The Bible prophecy warns that God will punish and destroy “an hypocritical nation” (Isaiah 10:6, KJV) in a prophecy related to the USA.
The Bible teaches:
1 Cry aloud, spare not;
Lift up your voice like a trumpet;
Tell My people their transgression,
And the house of Jacob their sins. (Isaiah 58:1)
These national sins include abortion, sexuality immorality, promoting pornography, false witness, violence, economic theft through debt and other means, hypocrisy, disdain for the God of the Bible, covetousness, and a host of others.
See also, our free online book, The Ten Commandments: The Decalogue, Christianity, and the Beast.
As far as evil goes, evil is still evil.
Many professing Christians believe that they need to vote even though that concept is not endorsed in the Bible. But the Bible teaches:
2 You shall not follow a crowd to do evil (Exodus 23:2)
The “lesser evil” is still evil.
What should a Christian do?
Jesus said to “seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness” (Matthew 6:33) and to pray for God’s kingdom to come (Matthew 6:10).
As far as political leaders go, the Apostle Paul wrote:
1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior (1 Timothy 2:1-3).
Notice that we are to pray for worldly leaders and those that have authority over us so that we may lead a quiet and peaceful life. Nothing like this is said for voting that many falsely claim is their “Christian” duty–prayer for leaders is.
No matter who you may think is better, the lesser of the evils is still evil.
The Continuing Church of God put out the following video on our Bible New Prophecy YouTube channel:
Should Christians Vote in 2024?
There are elections in over 50 nations scheduled for 2024. How old is democracy? Does the Bible sanction it? Do people often act like they want to be deceived? Are there men on the ballots that meet the Bible’s criteria for leaders? How does the Bible show that leaders are to be put in place? Is the lesser of two evils still evil? Does the Bible teach that, “the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, gives it to whomever He will, and sets over it the lowest of men in Daniel 4:17? Could someone vote against God’s plan? Do people know more than a prophet of God when it comes to choosing leaders? Are there truly pro-voting scriptures in the Bible? Are God’s people to support a crowd in doing evil? Will voting change the coming destruction that the Bible prophesies? Steve Dupuie and Dr. Thiel go over these matters.
Here is a link to the video: Should Christians Vote in 2024?
Supporting evil is not the solution for Christians.
Repentance could delay the disaster coming to the USA (cf. Daniel 4:27)–but that is not expected.
Without national repentance, the end is coming very soon no matter what party wins the USA 2024 presidential election.
Destruction is coming to the USA–as well as its British-descended allies (UK, Australia, Canada, New Zealand)–and it will be worse than most people will believe.
Some items of possibly related interest may include:
Could God Have a 6,000 Year Plan? What Year Does the 6,000 Years End? Was a 6000 year time allowed for humans to rule followed by a literal thousand year reign of Christ on Earth taught by the early Christians? Does God have 7,000 year plan? What year may the six thousand years of human rule end? When will Jesus return? 2031 or 2025 or? There is also a video titled: When Does the 6000 Years End? 2031? 2035? Here is a link to the article in Spanish: ¿Tiene Dios un plan de 6,000 años?
Might the U.S.A. Be Gone in 2028? Could the USA be gone by the end of 2028 or earlier? There is a tradition attributed to the Hebrew prophet Elijah that humanity had 6,000 years to live before being replaced by God’s Kingdom. There are scriptures, writings in the Talmud, early Christian teachings that support this. Also, even certain Hindu writings support it. Here is a link to a related video: Is the USA prophesied to be destroyed by 2028? In Spanish: Seran los Estados Unidos Destruidos en el 2028?
Should a Christian Vote? This article gives some of the Biblical rationale on this subject. Would Jesus vote for president/prime minister? Is voting in the Bible? This is a subject Christians need to understand. A video of related interest is available titled: Should Christians Vote? Another video is Biden, Trump, and the Bible.
Who is the King of the West? Why is there no Final End-Time King of the West in Bible Prophecy? Is the United States the King of the West? Here is a version in the Spanish language: ¿Quién es el Rey del Occidente? ¿Por qué no hay un Rey del Occidente en la profecía del tiempo del fin? A related sermon is also available: The Bible, the USA, and the King of the West.
USA in Prophecy: The Strongest Fortresses Can you point to scriptures, like Daniel 11:39, that point to the USA in the 21st century? This article does. Two related sermon are available: Identifying the USA and its Destruction in Prophecy and Do these 7 prophesies point to the end of the USA?
The Gospel of the Kingdom of God This free online pdf booklet has answers many questions people have about the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and explains why it is the solution to the issues the world is facing. Here are links to four related sermons: The Fantastic Gospel of the Kingdom of God!, The World’s False Gospel, The Gospel of the Kingdom: From the New and Old Testaments, and The Kingdom of God is the Solution.
Donald Trump in Prophecy Prophecy, Donald Trump? Are there prophecies that Donald Trump may fulfill? Are there any prophecies that he has already helped fulfill? Is a Donald Trump presidency proving to be apocalyptic? Two related videos are available: Donald: ‘Trump of God’ or Apocalyptic? and Donald Trump’s Prophetic Presidency.
Biden-Harris: Prophecies and Destruction Can the USA survive two full presidential terms? In what ways are Joe Biden and Kamala Harris apocalyptic? This book has hundreds of prophecies and scriptures to provide details. A Kindle version is also available and you do not need an actual Kindle device to read it. Why? Amazon will allow you to download it to almost any device: Please click HERE to download one of Amazon s Free Reader Apps. After you go to your free Kindle reader app (or if you already have one or a Kindle), you can go to: Biden-Harris: Prophecies and Destruction (Kindle) to get the book in seconds.
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