‘Banned’ continues to post lies. Are you interested in the truth?
Someone sent me information from a post made last night by Gary Leonard, the webmaster at the Banned By HWA site (an anti-Church of God website).
Gary Leonard claiming to be some type of Protestant, and apparently does not care about being truthful about me.
For example, here is something someone forwarded me that he posted:
And today, in 2020, “men” like Bob Thiel, Gerald Flurry, Dave Pack, Ron Weinland, and many other COG leaders continue to squander money in order to fund their lifestyles. It’s not about any gospel message but the gathering in of money. How can they preach a gospel message when they all deny the one about who the gospel is about?
Let’s deal with several points above.
Yes, it is true that “Gerald Flurry, Dave Pack, Ron Weinland, and many other COG leaders” use church income “to fund their lifestyles.” The Bible is clear that the ministry are allowed to use church funds to live (1 Corinthians 9:14) and no, I am not convinced that the three (Gerald Flurry, Dave Pack, Ron Weinland) are faithful COG ministers).
But, no, Gary Leonard’s post is absolutely untrue about me. Neither myself nor my wife Joyce “squander money in order to fund their lifestyles.” Actually, because of the needs of the poor in places like Africa, neither of us take any salary from the Continuing Church of God. Although Gary Leonard has been made aware of this, he continues to falsely claim that the church is all about money.
Now, it is true that Gerald Flurry built PCG’s headquarters’ compound with church income. It is also true that David Pacck built RCG’s headquarters’ compound with church income.
But with the Continuing Church of God, not only have I not done that, we have our headquarters in a building that my company leases (that I pay for). And we have never even charged the Continuing Church of God any rent for the seven plus years we have been doing that.
Gary Leonard is totally wrong when he includes me in any list that he claims, “It’s not about any gospel message but the gathering in of money.” His statement is regards to me and the Continuing Church of God is totally false.
He is also wrong when he includes me in a list that claims, “How can they preach a gospel message when they all deny the one about who the gospel is about?”
Actually, the name Jesus came up as the most referred to name at the COGwriter.com site when we did a statistical search. Jesus is quoted and/or discussed in pretty much all my sermons. We in CCOG do not deny Jesus–we strive “to walk just as He walked” (1 John 2:6)
Furthermore, the longest book I had written up until 2019 was specifically about Jesus (see Proof Jesus is the Messiah).
And as far as proclaiming the gospel goes, I personally have done that in North America, Latin America, Asia, Europe, Africa, and the South Pacific. Plus, my book The Gospel of the Kingdom of God is available in about 100 languages–which all can find free of charge at links at www.ccog.org.
I have never met Gary Leonard. One reason that he seems to be fixated on attacking me is that I go against his false paradigm that the Church of God is all about money. Well, the CCOG is all about love (see, for example, The Philadelphia Remnant: It’s All About Love).
Jesus said:
21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. (Matthew 6:21)
In the Continuing Church of God our income goes to fulfill Matthew 24:14, Matthew 28:19-20, and to support the poor. We most likely give a higher percentage of our income to directly supporting the poor, widows, and orphans than nearly all other COGs or non-COG churches for that matter. Despite being entitled to a salary, because of the needs of the poor, I do not take one.
But Gary Leonard does want to understand that.
Another reason that Gary Leonard seems to be fixated to post lies about me is that he cannot accept how God works. For example, he denies Acts 2:17-18 for the CCOG, despite having evidence which proves we are the real deal. For details, see Does the CCOG have the confirmed signs of Acts 2:17-18?
He falsely asserts he knows that is not true, despite having many people who can verify the truth about that.
Another lie that Gary Leonard seemingly hopes to perpetuate is about my education.
He has kept on his home page for many weeks, an image of me with a link to an article, The Remarkable Story of The Mysterious ThD and Subtle Deceptions of Bob Thiel, that he knows (as one or more who post at his website told him) is not accurate. Of course, there were no subtle deceptions from me (for more details, check out the article Banned, Ambassador Watch, Living University, and my Ph.D. and Th.D.).
I possess the following regionally accredited degrees from USA based institutions:
Allan Hancock College, A.A.
University of LaVerne. B.S.
University of Southern California, M.S.
Union Institute and University, Ph.D.
I also possess other degrees from non-regionally accredited institutions as I wanted to learn more than mainstream universities taught. Although some have criticized me for being open to additional education, those that do so tend to be short-sighted or limited in their understandings of many matters.
Union Institute and University is licensed by the State of California to grant doctoral degrees. Yet, even though my Ph.D. university is also regionally-accredited by the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools (one of the only one of six recognized accrediting agencies in the United States), the Ambassador Watch article denigrated that degree with such statements as:
2016 Postscript. Bob’s alma mater admits that it is indeed not accredited, no big surprise, so it seems his PhD is indeed only a pretty piece of paper, a vanity qualification. Vanity is one of the seven deadly sins, isn’t it?
My Ph.D. is from a regionally accredited university and is more than a “pretty piece of paper.”
Making a ‘sin accusation’ for attaining additional education is not right.
Bearing false witness is a violation of the ninth commandment, and Ambassador Watch sometimes did that and Banned seems to do that a lot.
Since it is often best to fight fire with water, misinformation can often be best fought with facts and proof.
Anyway, no, my Ph.D. is not a vanity degree. It took a lot of work and had serious academic oversight.
Want some proof?
Well, I am a published scientist. And published in journals with no connection to Union Institute and University.
Jesus wrote:
11 “Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. (Matthew 5:11-12)
People like Gary Leonard say all kinds of evil against me falsely–this is one way they persecute.
Sadly, Gary Leonard and many other opponents do not care about the truth and think that they are getting away with their lies and falsehoods.
Yet scripture says, “be sure your sin will find you out” (Numbers 32:23).
The Book of Proverbs teaches:
4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
Lest you also be like him.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly,
Lest he be wise in his own eyes. (Proverbs 26:4-5)
16 The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason. (Proverbs 26:16, KJV)
Because of Proverbs 26:4, I do not respond to most of the lies and false accusations at the Banned By HWA site, but because of Proverbs 26:5, I sometimes will.
The Apostle Peter wrote:
14 But even if you should suffer for righteousness’ sake, you are blessed. “And do not be afraid of their threats, nor be troubled.” 15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; 16 having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed. 17 For it is better, if it is the will of God, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil. (1 Peter 3:14-17)
Well, the truth is my defense.
Furthermore, notice something else that Jesus said:
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect. (Matthew 5:43-48)
Jesus’ admonishment is not to be angry or seek revenge against the false ones, but to pray for them. And, we do not know if God will have them change in this life, but because of our prayers, they may respond better in the age to come–yes we are to love, even our enemies, that much. So, yes, I regularly pray for Gary Leonard.
Peter also wrote:
11 Beloved, I beg you as sojourners and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts which war against the soul, 12 having your conduct honorable among the Gentiles, that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may, by your good works which they observe, glorify God in the day of visitation. (1 Peter 2:11-12)
Presuming he will come up in the second resurrection (without repentance he will not be coming up in the first), he will realize that as well as the truth that I have been standing for the gospel and have not used the CCOG as a way to fund my lifestyle.
What about you?
Can you accept the truth or do you prefer the lies from sites like Banned By HWA?
Gary Leonard is an accuser of the brethren (Revelation 12:10), and often a bearer of false witness (Exodus 20:16).
15 To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled. 16 They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work. (Titus 1:15-16)
Gary Leonard and various others at the Banned By HWA site remain in my prayers.
Some items of perhaps related interest include:
Why Be Concerned About False and Heretical Leaders? There have been many false leaders–here is some of why you should be concerned about them. Here is a related article in the Spanish language ¿Por qué estar preocupado acerca de falsos y heréticos líderes?
Banned by HWA and Ambassador Watch There are various ones that oppose the Church of God, but they will not prevail (Matthew 16:18).
Why Be Concerned About False and Heretical Leaders? There have been many false leaders–here is some of why you should be concerned about them. Here is a related article in the Spanish language ¿Por qué estar preocupado acerca de falsos y heréticos líderes?
Does the CCOG have the confirmed signs of Acts 2:17-18? Does any church have the confirmed dream and prophetic signs of Acts 2:17-18? Should one? Here is a link in the Spanish language: ¿Tiene la CCOG confirmadas las señales de Hechos 2: 17-18? Here is a link in the French language: Est-ce que l’Église Continue de Dieu confirme les signes d’Actes 2:17-18?
Church of God Leaders on Prophets Have there been prophets throughout the church age? Are any supposed to be around in the last days? What have COG leaders stated or written about prophets? Here is a link to a related sermon: Church of God Leaders on Prophets.
How To Determine If Someone is a True Prophet of God There are many false prophets. How can Christians determine who is a true prophet? There is also a sermon-length video titled How to determine if someone is a true prophet of God. Here is a related link in Spanish/español: ¿Cómo determinar si alguien es un verdadero profeta de Dios?
Dreams, the Bible, the Radio Church of God, and the Continuing Church of God How has God used dreams in the past? Does God still use dreams? Did He use any involving those in the Continuing Church of God? Here is a link in Spanish: Sueños, la Biblia, la Iglesia de Dios de la Radio, y la Continuación de la Iglesia de Dios. A related sermon is also available: Dreams, COGs, and One Man Rule.
Proof Jesus is the Messiah This free book has over 200 Hebrew prophecies were fulfilled by Jesus. Plus, His arrival was consistent with specific prophecies and even Jewish interpretations of prophecy. Here are links to seven related sermons: Proof Jesus is the Messiah, Prophecies of Jesus’ birth, timing, and death, Jesus’ prophesied divinity, 200+ OT prophecies Jesus filled; Plus prophecies He made, Why Don’t Jews Accept Jesus?, Daniel 9, Jews, and Jesus, and Facts and Atheists’ Delusions About Jesus. Plus the links to two sermonettes: Luke’s census: Any historical evidence? and Muslims believe Jesus is the Messiah, but … These videos cover nearly all of the book, plus have some information not in the book.
The Gospel of the Kingdom of God This free online pdf booklet has answers many questions people have about the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and explains why it is the solution to the issues the world is facing. Here are links to three related sermons: The World’s False Gospel, The Gospel of the Kingdom: From the New and Old Testaments, and The Kingdom of God is the Solution.
Is the Genuine Church of God a Cult? There are misleading statements on the internet that this article tries to address.
The Ten Commandments: The Decalogue, Christianity, and the Beast This is a free pdf book explaining the what the Ten Commandments are, where they came from, how early professors of Christ viewed them, and how various ones, including the Beast of Revelation, will oppose them. A related sermon is titled: The Ten Commandments and the Beast of Revelation.
The Ten Commandments Reflect Love, Breaking them is Evil Some feel that the ten commandments are a burden. Is that what Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, and John taught? For a more detailed discussion of the first four commandments, please see the video The Ten Commandments: Loving God. For a more detailed discussion of the last six commandments, please see: The Ten Commandments: Loving Your Neighbor. Here is a link to a related article in Mandarin Chinese 十条诫命显示爱,违反诫命的就是邪恶的
The Philadelphia Remnant: It’s All About Love This is what CCOG teaches. It is important to remember.
LCG: What About the Living Church of God? Are there Doctrinal Differences with the Continuing Church of God? This article explains some information and doctrines of the Living Church of God, now led by Gerald Westin, and some concerns about them. (En el idioma español: ¿Qué hay acerca de la Iglesia de Dios Viviente? ¿Hay diferencias doctrinales con la Continuación de la Iglesia de Dios?) See also Why Bob Thiel Left the Living Church of God.
Why Bob Thiel Left the Living Church of God Several have speculated reasons, but here is the truth. (En el idioma español: ¿Por qué Bob Thiel dejó la Iglesia del Dios Viviente?)
COGwriter Position on Other Churches and Religions What is the fate of those who do not know Christ? What about those who profess Christ outside the Church of God?
Where is the True Christian Church Today? This free online pdf booklet answers that question and includes 18 proofs, clues, and signs to identify the true vs. false Christian church. Plus 7 proofs, clues, and signs to help identify Laodicean churches. A related sermon is also available: Where is the True Christian Church? Here is a link to the booklet in the Spanish language: ¿Dónde está la verdadera Iglesia cristiana de hoy? Here is a link in the German language: WO IST DIE WAHRE CHRISTLICHE KIRCHE HEUTE? Here is a link in the French language: Où est la vraie Église Chrétienne aujourd’hui? Here is a link to a short animation: Which Church would Jesus Choose?
Continuing History of the Church of God This pdf booklet is a historical overview of the true Church of God and some of its main opponents from Acts 2 to the 21st century. Related sermon links include Continuing History of the Church of God: c. 31 to c. 300 A.D. and Continuing History of the Church of God: 4th-16th Centuries and Continuing History of the Church of God: 17th-20th Centuries. The booklet is available in Spanish: Continuación de la Historia de la Iglesia de Dios, German: Kontinuierliche Geschichte der Kirche Gottes, French: L Histoire Continue de l Église de Dieu and Ekegusii Omogano Bw’ekanisa Ya Nyasae Egendererete.
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