Brexit talks still not going well

The clock has been ticking on the departure of the United Kingdom from the European Union, but talks between both groups have not gone very well:

EU Replays Its Brexit Playbook, Sensing U.K. Still in Disarray

May 25, 2018

When a European Union official, summing up the state of Brexit talks on Thursday, described many of the U.K.’s ideas as “fantasy,” it maintained a strategy of dismissing Britain’s approach that hasn’t changed since the talks began last summer.

After all, this was the same official — who insists on anonymity when briefing the media — who in August described the government’s plans for keeping the Irish border invisible as “magical thinking.”

The EU’s negotiators see no reason to change their tactics. They saw what happened in the first phase of the talks before the end of 2017 when, having ridiculed the U.K.’s initial positions on making payments to the bloc, EU court involvement in protecting citizens’ rights, the need to make Northern Ireland a special case and the format of the talks themselves, the U.K. caved in on all of them.

EU officials know they hold many of the cards: they think the U.K. is more desperate to have something to show from Brexit than the bloc is. It suits them to play up disarray in British government thinking and disagreement in Prime Minister Theresa May’s cabinet, as the official did on Thursday, highlighting issues where the U.K. still “hasn’t got a position” even though October’s deadline is fast approaching.

After attempting to explain to reporters what the U.K.’s position on the Irish border was, the official said: “You’re just as confused as before? So am I.”

The EU does want a deal too, however. The aim of officials in Brussels is to hammer home the message that the EU is an inflexible organization whose rules prohibit many of the post-Brexit links that the U.K. is demanding. The U.K. needs to understand that if there’s going to be an agreement, officials say. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-25/eu-replays-its-brexit-playbook-sensing-u-k-still-in-disarray

Brexit: UK official warns EU over talks ‘insult’

UK officials have warned the EU that its approach to Brexit negotiations risks damaging its security and economic relationship.

It comes as a senior EU official said the UK was living in a “let’s just keep everything we have now… fantasy”.

A UK official described those remarks as “laughable” and warned against “trying to insult us”.

Meanwhile the UK says the EU should repay £1bn if it is excluded from the Galileo satellite navigation system.

In a briefing on Thursday, following three days of Brexit talks, a senior EU official told journalists the UK was in a fantasy that everything could stay as it is, which would mean that the EU would have to change so that Britain could remain the same.

“I’m a bit concerned because the precondition for fruitful discussions has to be the UK accepts the consequences of its own choices,” the official said.

“The sooner we move beyond ‘let’s just keep everything we have now’… the sooner we move away from this fantasy, then the quicker we can make progress.”

On the issue of the Irish border, the official said “we are running out of time” and that there had been no agreement, in three days of talks this week, on the “crunch items” of customs and regulatory alignment between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic. …

The UK government has proposed a fallback option if the UK and EU cannot agree new customs arrangements in time, to avoid a “hard border” in Ireland. It would see the UK remaining aligned with the EU customs union for “a limited time” after 2020 – something Theresa May has said would only be needed in “a very limited set of circumstances”.

But the EU official said any solution must be “Northern Ireland-specific” and they must “do away with fantasy that it can be a whole-of-UK solution” because that would provide a back door for the UK into the EU’s single market.

The official also suggested the row over the UK’s access to the Galileo system was about the UK wanting to turn it from an EU programme into a joint UK/EU programme which was “a big ask” and would give the UK more influence than some EU member states.

But a UK official said the remarks were simply the EU’s “public negotiating position”.

He said: ‘We presented seven papers this week, in the interests of resolving difficult issues in the interests of both sides, so the claim we aren’t providing enough detail is laughable.

“The risk is that, if they follow down this track, putting conditions on our unconditional offers and trying to insult us, the EU will end up with a relationship with its third biggest economy and largest security partner that lets down millions of citizens in the EU and UK.” http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44244402

There are many issues that remain. Including the Irish border and Gibraltar–Spain wants Gibraltar and can veto a deal related to Brexit. While there are options related to the Irish border, the UK and EU remain far apart on solving this.

Brexit will ultimately not end as the UK hopes.

Consider that a while back, BBC’s Kevin Connolly reported the following (see EU states that UK must pay a price for Brexit and be worse off than EU member states):

The 27 EU Remainer states are adamant that Britain will pay a price for leaving and will be worse off outside than the union than it is on the inside.

Now notice something earlier this year in regards to Brexit and EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker:

13 March 2018

The UK will come to “regret” the decision to leave the EU, European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker has warned.

Addressing the European Parliament, Mr Juncker was cheered by Eurosceptic MEPs as he noted the UK’s departure was due on 29 March, 2019.

In response he said the time would come “when you will regret your decision”. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43384357

The EU’s basic position is that the UK wanted to be in the EU, the UK approved the Lisbon treaty, and now the UK does not want to fund the EU as it agreed to, but instead wants to leave.

The EU does not like that at all and essentially blames the UK for any current and future Brexit-related problems.

Maybe this is a good time to again look at some statements put out by the writers once part of the old Worldwide Church of God and/or the current Continuing Church of God related to Europe and the United Kingdom in the 20th and 21st centuries:

Bible prophecy clearly shows that Britain will not be one of the … NATIONS comprising the final United States of Europe (McNair R. A Strong United Europe. Tomorrow’s World, February 1970, p. 17).

What is this abomination? This refers to Daniel 11:31 and Matthew 24:15…That will be a time when the UNITED Europe shall appear–the revival of the medieval “Holy Roman Empire.” We shall then be warned, and readied to be taken to a place of refuge and safety from the Great Tribulation. Forty-five days later “the beasts armies” will surround Jerusalem. Thirty days later the Great Tribulation will probably start with a nuclear attack on London and Britain–and possibly the same day or immediately after, on the United States and Canadian cities. The GREAT TRIBULATION, we shall fully then realize, is the time of “Jacob’s Trouble,” spoken of in Jeremiah 30:7. And Jacob’s name was named on Joseph’s sons, Ephraim and Manasseh (Gen. 48:16). At that time a third of the people in our nations will die, or shall have died, by famine and disease epidemics; another third will dies of the war–our cities being destroyed (Ezek. 6:6), and the remaining third will be carried to the land of our enemies as slaves (Ezek. 5:12). (Armstrong HW. The Time We Are In, Now. Pastor General’s Report-Vol 1, No. 15, November 20, 1979, Page 2).

Perhaps it should be mentioned that the general position within the Churches of God is that Britain will not remain in the EU and will pull out at some point. (Thiel B. Tony Blair a Catholic EU Leader? Church of God News, June 26, 2007. http://www.cogwriter.com/news/prophecy/tony-blair-a-catholic-eu-leader/)

It should be understood that ultimately, Britain will NOT thrive as part of the EU but will be taken over by the final European Beast power–yet its former Prime Minister is promoting something that will not help the peoples of the UK. (Thiel B. Tony Blair Calls for a Strong, Elected, EU President Church of God News, June 9, 2007. http://www.cogwriter.com/news/prophecy/tony-blair-calls-for-a-strong-elected-eu-president/)

Ephraim (modern Great Britain) will not be part of the “Beast” power, so we can expect some significant change that will push the British out of the EU. (Davis. D. Ireland says “No!” to EU power grab. Commentary, July, 1 2008)

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will not be an equal part of the European Union. Britain will either pull out or be forced out or at least truly lose its sovereignty. Many of the Anglo-peoples of the UK, USA, etc. that are not killed will to be scattered and many will be made slaves (Will the Anglo-Nations be Divided and Have People Taken as Slaves?). That is what the Bible shows will happen during the Great Tribulation.

As far as this “Beast King” goes, he could possibly be the next EU president, but a restructure ultimately will be needed in Europe for the King of the North to have the type of power that the Bible indicate he will have (Revelation 17:12-13). The EU is not ready for that yet.

However, Tony Blair’s statements today are pointing to one more step towards certain biblical prophesies being fulfilled as he is realizing that the UK wants to pull out of the UK–and that is something will happen (directly or indirectly).

The final King of the North (Daniel 11:27-40) will take over the UK, USA, and their Anglo-allies according to Bible prophecy (cf. Daniel 11:39). While more people in the UK are starting to realize that the EU poses dangers to it, most have no idea how dangerous the rising Beast power in Europe will become (cf. Revelation 13:1-4; Daniel 11:39). Britain will ultimately NOT thrive as part of the EU but will be taken over by the final European Beast power. (Thiel B. Tony Blair ‘Deeply Worried’ that UK May Leave EU. Church of God News, August 18, 2012)

Most people do NOT realize what will happen in Europe.

Europe is not going to ‘get over’ the Brexit and will one day take actions that most of those in the UK (as well as USA and Canada) will not consider possible (cf. Daniel 8:24-25, 11:39; see also USA in Prophecy: The Strongest Fortresses).

The final European Beast power will destroy the UK. That is consistent with the following prophecies:

23 “And in the latter time of their kingdom, When the transgressors have reached their fullness, A king shall arise, Having fierce features, Who understands sinister schemes. 24 His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power; He shall destroy fearfully, And shall prosper and thrive; He shall destroy the mighty, and also the holy people. 25 “Through his cunning He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule; And he shall exalt himself in his heart. He shall destroy many in their prosperity. (Daniel 8:23-25a)

39 Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for gain. (Daniel 11:39).

While Europe is NOT ready to fulfill the above prophecies for at least four years from now, the Bible teaches that Europe will reorganize (Revelation 17:12) and turn power over to the leader that will fulfill the above prophecies (Revelation 17:13; see also Must the Ten Kings of Revelation 17:12 Rule over Ten Currently Existing Nations?).

The EU keeps taking a hard line that the UK keeps hoping won’t be so hard. Irrespective of how the current talks end, the time will come when the UK will regret its Brexit decision.

It will hope that working with the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and others will fill in part of what it will lose post-EU.

While the UK may think it will get a decent Brexit deal, in the end it (along with its main defensive ally, the USA) will get taken over.

Notice additional prophetic warnings that are consistent with that:

58 “If you do not carefully observe all the words of this law that are written in this book, that you may fear this glorious and awesome name, THE LORD YOUR GOD, 59 then the Lord will bring upon you and your descendants extraordinary plagues — great and prolonged plagues — and serious and prolonged sicknesses. 60 Moreover He will bring back on you all the diseases of Egypt, of which you were afraid, and they shall cling to you. 61 Also every sickness and every plague, which is not written in this Book of the Law, will the Lord bring upon you until you are destroyed. 62 You shall be left few in number, whereas you were as the stars of heaven in multitude, because you would not obey the voice of the Lord your God. 63 And it shall be, that just as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good and multiply you, so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you and bring you to nothing; and you shall be plucked from off the land which you go to possess. (Deuteronomy 28:58-63)

24 ‘Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you. 25 For the land is defiled; therefore I visit the punishment of its iniquity upon it, and the land vomits out its inhabitants. 26 You shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations, either any of your own nation or any stranger who dwells among you 27 (for all these abominations the men of the land have done, who were before you, and thus the land is defiled), 28 lest the land vomit you out also when you defile it, as it vomited out the nations that were before you. (Leviticus 18:24-29)

23 ‘And if by these things you are not reformed by Me, but walk contrary to Me, 24 then I also will walk contrary to you, and I will punish you yet seven times for your sins. 25 And I will bring a sword against you that will execute the vengeance of the covenant; when you are gathered together within your cities I will send pestilence among you; and you shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy. (Leviticus 26:23-25)

So, those that were promised blessings were also told that they would be subject to losing those blessings if they disobeyed God. As far as being plucked from the land, see Will the Anglo-Saxon Nations be Divided and Have People Taken as Slaves?

Ultimately, the UK will lose all of Ireland, Gibraltar, and the UK itself.

Some items of possibly related interest may include:

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Will the UK Lose Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands? Spain wants Gibraltar and Argentina wants the Falklands (also known as the Malvinas). Does the Bible give clues as to what will happen with these ‘sea gates’? A version of the article in the Spanish language would be ¿Perderá el Reino Unido a Gibraltar y las Islas Falkland (Malvinas)?
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