PCG and COGwriter on German-USA relations
The October 2014 edition of PCG’s Trumpet magazine has the following German Chancellor Angela Merkel is to meet US President Barack Obama today:
After World War ii, Germany lay in ruins. The nation was wiped out economically and couldn’t afford to rebuild. The United States came to Germany’s aid with the Marshall Plan, giving billions of dollars to Germany and other European states to help them recover. This prevented Soviet communism from spreading into Western Europe, and it bound West Germany, and the future united German state, to the rest of Europe and the Western world. It also ensured a strong post-war alliance between America and West Germany. This alliance continued when Germany reunified in 1990.Recent events, however, are destroying this alliance.
In 2013, former nsa contractor Edward Snowden began leaking secret National Security Agency documents to the press, including the German weekly Der Spiegel. Documents revealed this year that the Obama administration has been spying on the Germans from over 150 nsa sites in Germany—including a listening post at the American Embassy in Berlin that tapped German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s cell phone.
These revelations enraged German politicians, public and media. President Obama sent high-level officials to Germany to try and mend the relationship, but public opinion had already turned against the United States. An ard survey of the German public conducted in July 2013 showed that their trust in the U.S. had plummeted from 76 percent in November 2009 all the way down to 49 percent. By that November, the number of Germans who believed America is a reliable partner for Germany stood at only 35 percent. Meanwhile, more than 60 percent of Germans view Edward Snowden—the man who illegally exposed America’s spying on Germany—as a hero.
There is fierce outrage that America, its strongest ally, spied on their leader and on Germans in such a massive way! While the U.S. media did not cover the scandal in great detail, it created a huge splash in the German media. This whipped the German public up into a frenzy, which politicians exploited.
As far as the mainstream media goes, it has not covered this a lot in the USA, but it has been covered in various places.
In this post, I thought I would show what is in a section titled Germany is Upset With the USA’s Spying in the COGwriter article Germany in Biblical and Catholic Prophecy.
But before I do, let me state that the photo at the beginning of this post was related to a trip by Germany’s Angela Merkel in May 2014 to try to solve the problem. But instead of it getting solved the way she wanted, she was disappointed. And then after other espionage matters surfaced, this was likely the final straw in a series of events that began in 2013.
Germany is Upset With the USA’s Spying
The USA has been spying a lot on Germany:
June 30, 2103
BERLIN — Senior European lawmakers say they are shocked at reports that U.S. intelligence agents bugged EU offices on both sides of the Atlantic…
A top German official accused the United States on Sunday of using “Cold War” methods against its allies, after a German magazine cited secret intelligence documents to claim that U.S. spies bugged European Union offices.
Justice Minister Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger was responding to a report by German news weekly Der Spiegel, which claimed that the U.S. National Security Agency eavesdropped on EU offices in Washington, New York and Brussels. The magazine cited classified U.S. documents taken by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden that it said it had partly seen. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/30/germany-bugging_n_3524755.html
(Reuters) – The United States taps half a billion phone calls, emails and text messages in Germany in a typical month and has classed its biggest European ally as a target similar to China, according to secret U.S. documents quoted by a German newsmagazine…
The document Spiegel cited showed that the United States categorized Germany as a “third-class” partner and that surveillance there was stronger than in any other EU country, similar in extent to China, Iraq or Saudi-Arabia.
“We can attack the signals of most foreign third-class partners, and we do it too,” Der Spiegel quoted a passage in the NSA document as saying…
On an average day, the NSA monitored about 20 million German phone connections and 10 million internet data sets, rising to 60 million phone connections on busy days, the report said…
Only Canada, Australia, Britain and New Zealand were explicitly exempted from spy attacks. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/30/us-usa-germany-spying-idUSBRE95T04B20130630
Notice that what many German politicians want:
German lawmakers decide to quiz Snowden
May 8, 2014
Reuters) – German lawmakers decided on Thursday they want to question former U.S. intelligence contractor Edward Snowden as part of a parliamentary inquiry into the mass surveillance of German citizens, which he exposed.
“A majority of the committee has decided that we want to hear Mr. Snowden,” said Roderich Kiesewetter, the conservative head of the committee set up to investigate the activities in Germany of the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA)…
Angela Merkel’s conservatives have so far rejected this, fearing that bringing Snowden to Berlin could further damage relations with Washington which have suffered from revelations that U.S. spies had tapped the German chancellor’s own phone.
The center-left Social Democrats (SPD), who share power with Merkel’s conservatives in a ‘grand coalition’, have said they are open to questioning Snowden in Germany or Russia. http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/08/us-germany-spying-snowden-idUSBREA470FV20140508
Germans and others do not like to be considered to be ‘third class’ partners. They will remember this:
NSA Spying: The world is laughing at the naive EU leaders
German Economic News | Posted: 2:07:13, 12:35 | Updated: 2:07:13, 00:50 |The rulers of Europe were obviously extremely naive: How could it happen that the U.S. install a bug in the middle of the EU embassy in Washington?…
Divide and rule – according to this principle, the Americans went in scrutinizing EU ago by the NSA. With the code name “Dropmire” a bug was smuggled into the EU encrypted fax message…
A central question is how the EU could be so stupid as to leave to join the Americans a bug to the central fax. http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2013/07/02/nsa-spionage-die-welt-lacht-ueber-die-naiven-eu-fuehrer/
What, exactly, is the purpose of the National Security Agency? Security, as its name might suggest? No matter in what system or to what purpose: A monitored human being is not a free human being. And every state that systematically contravenes human rights, even in the alleged service of security, is acting criminally...unexpected flare-up of American imperialism serves as a reminder of the necessity for Europe. Does anyone seriously believe that Obama will ensure the chancellor and her interior minister that the American authorities will respect the rights of German citizens in the future? Only Europe can break the American fantasy of omnipotence. One option would be for Europe to build its own system of networks to prevent American surveillance. Journalist Frank Schirrmacher of the respected Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung newspaper recommended that over the weekend. http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/europe-must-stand-up-to-american-cyber-snooping-a-906250.html
Notice that some in Germany believe that the EU has been stupid in overly trusting the USA. Notice that the Germans are incensed with both the USA and the UK. Many Germans will long remember this and decide that they will always have to mistrust the USA, despite future assurances by the USA. And they want their own espionage system (cf. Revelation 13:15-18).
According to a German source (the following was machine-translated into English from German), the USA will give the Europeans a lot of information:
Obama promises EU all the information
Given the outrage over the U.S. spy in Europe, the U.S. president tried to relax. He also justified for intelligence operations. http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2013-07/snowden-brief-usa-prozess
I should also add that another German news source basically said that Americans like ‘big brother’ to take care of their security, and hinted that the Americans were hypocritical. This does not bode well for the USA (cf. Isaiah 10:5-6, KJV; Daniel 11:39). (See also The Snowden Leaks are Leading to the Destruction of the USA.)
The Germans are very upset about what seems to have happened. Yet, even more has happened.
While German Chancellor Merkel was outraged before, she is now even more incensed to learn that the USA allegedly was listening to her cell phone calls:
The furore over the scale of American mass surveillance revealed by Edward Snowden shifted to an incendiary new level on Wednesday evening when Angela Merkel of Germany called Barack Obama to demand explanations over reports that the US National Security Agency was monitoring her mobile phone.
Merkel was said by informed sources in Germany to be “livid” over the reports and convinced, on the basis of a German intelligence investigation, that the reports were utterly substantiated.
The German news weekly, Der Spiegel, reported an investigation by German intelligence, prompted by research from the magazine, that produced plausible information that Merkel’s mobile was targeted by the US eavesdropping agency. The German chancellor found the evidence substantial enough to call the White House and demand clarification.
The outrage in Berlin came days after President François Hollande of France also called the White House to confront Obama with reports that the NSA was targeting the private phone calls and text messages of millions of French people. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/23/us-monitored-angela-merkel-german
Germany is proposing having a system that will prevent the USA from spying as much on it:
BERLIN — The news that the National Security Agency has its eye on much of the world’s electronic communications has shocked Germans, who have memories of Nazi and Cold War-era spying. Now, an alliance of German phone and Internet companies claims it has a solution: German e-mail and Internet transmitted within German borders.
The proposals — one for Internet, one for e-mail — aim to boost the security of Germany’s internal communications by preventing them from bouncing outside the country, which has far stricter privacy regulations than the United States. If a German customer wants to call up a German Web site, there is no reason that the data must pass through a server in Virginia, exposing the information to potential surveillance, advocates say. The same goes for e-mails within Germany…for Germans who have been infuriated by a steady drip-drop of NSA allegations, including one that Chancellor Angela Merkel’s cellphone had been monitored for more than a decade, the German-only initiatives may be attractive. And in the United States, technology industry advocates say they are bracing for tough competition from foreign companies that boast that they are freer from U.S. intrusion and monitoring than American counterparts.
(Birnbaum M. Germany looks at keeping its Internet, e-mail traffic inside its borders. November 1, 2013. http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/germany-looks-at-keeping-its-internet-e-mail-traffic-inside-its-borders/2013/10/31/981104fe-424f-11e3-a751-f032898f2dbc_story.html)
The above type of system will help the Germans militarily. Notice also:
Brazil, Europe plan undersea cable to skirt U.S. spyingBrazil and the European Union agreed on Monday to lay an undersea communications cable from Lisbon to Fortaleza to reduce Brazil’s reliance on the United States after Washington spied on Brasilia…U.S. President Barack Obama has since banned spying on the leaders of close allies, but trust has been damaged…The cable agreement marks rare progress for Rousseff in her ties with the European Union, the top foreign investor in Brazil…http://news.yahoo.com/brazil-presses-eu-undersea-cable-skirt-u-links-115123537–finance.html;_ylt=AwrTWfz.cAtT4nwACq3QtDMD
So, despite assurances about limits to spying on leaders personally by USA President Obama, Brazil and the European Union are taking a major step to reduce USA espionage. This, of course, will weaken the USA as it has been able to spy on all calls from Brazil over to Europe in the past.
The USA later was caught in another action against Germany:
July 7, 2014
German Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Monday allegations that a German man worked as a double agent for U.S. intelligence were serious and, if true, were a clear contradiction of what cooperation between partners is supposed to be about.
The case threatens to further strain ties with Washington, which have been sorely tested by revelations last year of large-scale snooping on Germany by the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA), including the alleged monitoring of Merkel’s cell phone.
“If the reports are correct it, would be a serious case,” said Merkel, speaking at a news conference on a visit to Beijing. “If the allegations are true, it would be for me a clear contradiction as to what I consider to be trusting cooperation between agencies and partners.”
The White House and State Department have so far declined to comment on the arrest of a 31-year-old employee of Germany’s BND foreign intelligence agency.
German prosecutors said the man allegedly handed over 218 documents between 2012 and 2014.
German media, without naming sources, have reported he was an employee of Germany’s foreign intelligence service who said he sold his services to the U.S.
The comments marked the chancellor’s first public remarks on the arrest last week of the 31-year-old man suspected of being a double agent. http://www.voanews.com/content/merkel-speaks-on-alleged-double-agent/1952060.html
The Europeans in general, and Germans in particular, will not forget this. They are realizing that the USA is not truly their friend.
Germany’s is upset about continued US espionage and is starting to take steps, and the USA is concerned:
July 11, 2014
Kerry looks to soothe relations with Germany
Secretary of State John Kerry is set to meet with German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier: http://thehill.com/policy/211941-kerry-to-meet-with-german-foreign-minister-after-spy-reports#ixzz37AKB2W6s
July 11, 2014
Germany’s foreign minister says he will discuss the expulsion of a U.S. intelligence officer from Berlin with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry when the two diplomats see each other at meetings in Vienna in the next two days. http://www.voanews.com/content/germany-us-to-discuss-spy-expulsion-/1955354.html
July 10, 2014
Diplomatic tensions between Germany and the U.S. stoked by allegations of spying are spilling over into German government plans to upgrade the military’s drones, said lawmakers who sit on parliament’s Defense Committee.
Espionage activities that prompted Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government to expel a U.S. intelligence official yesterday compound German concerns over “black box” modules in U.S. bidder General Atomics Aeronautical Systems Inc.’s MQ-9 Reaper drones, said the lawmakers. That might help tip the balance in favor of awarding the contract to Israel Aerospace Industries’ Heron TP fliers.
“The latest spying allegations raise the hurdle for accepting black box technology,” Hans-Peter Bartels, a lawmaker from Merkel’s Social Democratic coalition partner who chairs the Defense Committee, said in a phone interview. The developments have “stiffened” lawmakers’ resistance to buying the U.S. military hardware, as the expulsion “marks a new low in Germany’s trust in its U.S. ally,” he said.
The snooping spat revives a dilemma for Merkel, who has sought to isolate Germany’s business interests from government pressure on the U.S. to change its intelligence policy since Edward Snowden’s revelations last year. It also threatens to undermine Merkel’s support for a free-trade accord between the U.S. and the European Union…
Lawmaker concerns center on what they say is the use of black box technology to store and transmit secure surveillance data to the U.S…“Naturally, we’re sensitive to the black box issue,” Bernd Siebert, a committee member from Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union party, said in an e-mailed reply to questions. This “will flow into the decision making” on the drone selected, he said…
While German politicians may be “utilizing” the spying scandals, their concerns betray long-standing attempts to free Europe from dependency on U.S. technology, said Jan Techau, who heads the Brussels office of the Carnegie Endowment. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-10/german-drone-upgrade-feels-heat-of-u-s-spying-dispute.html
Notice that many in Germany have long wanted to reduce dependency upon USA technology. I have been warning for years that the Europeans will one day have sufficient technology to takeover the USA and its Anglo-Saxon descended allies (see also European Technology and the Beast of Revelation). Now, because of the espionage scandal over the past year or so, the USA is likely to share too much technology with the Europeans in general, and Germany in particular, as well as make arrangements to allow Germany to operate with less USA intelligence oversight.
While John Kerry would like to smooth relations with Germany, he should not expect that the Germans are like the bulk of the USA media that will get over repeated indiscretions by the Obama Administration. Various ones in Germany have said that they WILL NOT GET OVER THIS and consider the USA a ‘so-called friend’:
“There shouldn’t be any spying between friends,” said Merkel in the fall of 2013, shortly after the NSA espionage scandal erupted. Now Germans are finding out how much spying can in fact be done. Perhaps the chancellor is learning this with astonishment too. …
And then there’s the pressing question of how the German government will continue to deal with the spying scandal among so-called friends. http://www.dw.de/opinion-the-nsa-scandal-keeps-growing/a-17760760
Germany to spy on US for first time since 1945 after ‘double agent’ scandalChancellor Angela Merkel’s government is planning to scrap a no-spy agreement Germany has held with Britain and the United States since 1945 in response to an embarrassing US-German intelligence service scandal which has deeply soured relations between Berlin and Washington.
The unprecedented change to Berlin’s counter-espionage policy was announced by Ms Merkel’s Interior Minister, Thomas de Maizière. He said that Berlin wanted “360‑degree surveillance” of all intelligence-gathering operations in Germany.
The intelligence services of the Allied victors, the United States, Britain and France, have hitherto been regarded as “friendly” to Germany. Their diplomatic and information-gathering activities were exempted from surveillance by Berlin’s equivalent of M15 – the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND).
But Mr de Maizière told Bild that he was now not ruling out permanent German counter-espionage surveillance of US, British and French intelligence operations. His remarks were echoed by Stephan Mayer, a domestic security spokesman for Ms Merkel’s ruling Christian Democrats. “We must focus more strongly on our so-called allies,” he said….http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-to-spy-on-us-for-first-time-since-1945-after-double-agentscandal-9590645.html
Germany will now officially spy on the USA. This is more dangerous than many in the USA realize.
William Binney is one of the highest-level whistleblowers to ever emerge from the NSA. He was a leading code-breaker against the Soviet Union during the Cold War but resigned soon after September 11, disgusted by Washington’s move towards mass surveillance…
Binney recently told the German NSA inquiry committee that his former employer had a “totalitarian mentality” that was the “greatest threat” to US society since that country’s US Civil War in the 19th century. (Loewenstein A. The ultimate goal of the NSA is total population control. The Guardian, July 10, 2014. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/11/the-ultimate-goal-of-the-nsa-is-total-population-control)
If certain leader in the USA have a totalitarian mentality, how much more will the Germans, especially after the USA trains them more in this.
Germany is upset about the espionage on it, but plans to do what it perceives is in its best interest:
July 12, 2014
BERLIN—German Chancellor Angela Merkel reiterated on Saturday that U.S. espionage against a close ally is unacceptable…
Berlin will be “persistent” in delivering this message to the U.S., Ms. Merkel said as a espionage dispute with Washington flared up over the dramatic ejection of the top U.S. spy in Berlin.
On Thursday, the German government told the Central Intelligence Agency’s Berlin Station Chief to leave the country amid German prosecutors’ investigation of two government employees suspected of spying for the U.S.
The espionage row has strained the traditionally close ties between Berlin and Washington…
Ms. Merkel said there is “no basis for trust” if it is unclear who is working for which side. She said there was no guarantee that Washington would change its intelligence service policy…
Ms. Merkel and Germany’s top diplomat, Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, have repeatedly expressed their anger over Washington’s handling of the espionage affair in recent days.
Asked whether the row has already had direct consequences, such as limiting the cooperation of intelligence services, or whether this should lead to a halt of the planned trans-Atlantic Trade and Investment Partnership, known as TTIP, between Europe and the U.S. as some lawmakers have suggested, Ms. Merkel said no.
“I don’t think anything of it, I have to say this very frankly. We have different opinions regarding intelligent services. But other policy fields, such as the free-trade agreement are absolutely in our interest,” Ms. Merkel said. “We as an export nation benefit from such a free-trade agreement…as much as the Americans, if not even slightly more.”http://stream.wsj.com/story/latest-headlines/SS-2-63399/SS-2-576983/
Oh yes, the Germans will act diplomatically and try to give the impression of a certain amount of cooperation, but the reality is that all the espionage revelations have strengthened the resolve of many to separate from dependency on the USA to develop a European alternative to American hegemony. Germany is learning that the USA cares little about its own views, does not consider Germany a friend, and basically that the USA cannot be trusted.
To try to compensate for this, the USA placed a German general in charge of the US Army in Europe (see US Army in Europe to report to a German general!). This does not bode well for the USA.
Germany is no longer as content to take a backseat to the USA as it has been since WWII. Germany, which basically started WWI and WWII, will also be the aggressor in WWIII. Here is a link to a video Is the USA Pushing Germany to Start WWIII?
Some items of possibly related interest may include:
Germany’s Assyrian Roots Throughout History Are the Germanic peoples descended from Asshur of the Bible? Have there been real Christians in Germanic history? What about the “Holy Roman Empire”? There is also a You-Tube video sermon on this titled Germany’s Biblical Origins.
Germany in Biblical and Catholic Prophecy Does Assyria in the Bible equate to an end time power inhabiting the area of the old Roman Empire? What does prophecy say Germany will do and what does it say will happen to most of the German people?
The Snowden Leaks are Leading to the Destruction of the USA Can what happened with the leaks of what the NSA has done help the USA to be taken over? What does the Bible teach that seems to be related to this? Here is a related YouTube video titled Are the Snowden NSA leaks leading to the destruction of the USA?
World War III: Steps in Progress Are there surprising actions going on now that are leading to WWIII? Might a nuclear attack be expected? Does the Bible promise protection to all or only some Christians? How can you be part of those that will be protected? A related video would be Is World War III About to Begin? Can You Escape?
Who is the King of the North? Is there one? Do biblical and Roman Catholic prophecies for the Great Monarch point to the same leader? Should he be followed? Who will be the King of the North discussed in Daniel 11? Is a nuclear attack prophesied to happen to the English-speaking peoples of the United States, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand? When do the 1335 days, 1290 days, and 1260 days (the time, times, and half a time) of Daniel 12 begin? When does the Bible show that economic collapse will affect the United States? In the Spanish language check out ¿Quién es el Rey del Norte? Here is a link to a video titled: The Future King of the North.
Can You Prove that the Beast to Come is European? The Book of Revelation tells of a beast power that will rise up. Some think that this must be Russia or could be Islamic, while others say that this power is European. The Book of Daniel tells of the rise of an end time King of the North that some think must be referring to a Russian leader, while others say that this power is European. How can you be sure? This YouTube video has all the scriptural proofs that you should need to prove that this power must be a European one.
Europa, the Beast, and Revelation Where did Europe get its name? What might Europe have to do with the Book of Revelation? What about “the Beast”? Is an emerging European power “the daughter of Babylon”? What is ahead for Europe? Here is a link to a video titled: Can You Prove that the Beast to Come is European?
Might German Baron Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg become the King of the North? Is the former German Defense Minister (who is also the former German Minister for Economics and Technology) one to watch? What do Catholic, Byzantine, and biblical prophecies suggest?
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