Russia upset about a report suggesting Russian equipment, not from Kiev forces, shot down Malaysian flight 17. Ukraine votes to give more autonomy to eastern Ukraine; a separation of the Medes?
Buk Missile Launcher (Владимир Саппинен)
The investigation continues into who and what caused Malaysian Flight 17 to crash last year:
Russia lashes out at leaks of MH 17 draft report
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MOSCOW (AP) — A top Russian aviation official says leaks of the draft report on the Malaysian jetliner crash over eastern Ukraine are meant to put pressure on investigators.
A Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 was shot down on July 17 last year over eastern Ukraine, killing all 298 people on board.
The deputy head of the Russian Aviation Agency, Oleg Storchevoi, on Thursday said recent leaks pointing to the complicity of Russia-backed rebels amounted to pressure on investigators. He says Russia found “a lot to contradict” in the draft report.
A U.S. official, who was not authorized to speaking publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity, told The Associated Press Wednesday that it showed the plane was brought down by a BUK surface-to-air missile launched from a village under separatist control. http://www.aol.com/article/2015/07/16/russia-lashes-out-at-leaks-of-mh17-draft-report/21210102/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D1039884459
July 16, 2015
(CNN) It’s been nearly one year since 298 people were killed after a commercial passenger plane broke up over the Ukraine.
U.S. officials concluded Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was struck by a missile and shot out of the sky. A final report from investigators has yet to be released but CNN has learned new details from the draft investigative report for the July 17, 2014 incident.
Dutch accident investigators say that evidence points to pro-Russian rebels as being responsible for shooting down MH-17, according to a source who has seen the report.
According to the source, the report says it was a Buk missile — a Russian surface-to-air missile — that was used, launched from a village in Russian rebel controlled territory.
The Malaysian Airlines flight went down in the Donetsk area of Ukraine. According to two sources with knowledge of the investigation, a draft of an investigative report authored by the Dutch Safety Board, the lead agency in the investigation, has been distributed for review to numerous agencies around the world including the National Transportation Safety Board, Federal Aviation Administration and Boeing.
The draft investigative report is several hundred pages long. http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/15/politics/mh17-pro-russian-missile-crash-ukraine/
I would add that a report I watched this morning said that there is no evidence of direct Russian government involvement in this.
Here is another report related to the flight investigation:
July 16, 2015
MOSCOW—
Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday calls for a U.N. tribunal to be set up to prosecute suspects in the downing of a Malaysian airliner in a rebel-held part of Ukraine were counterproductive and premature.
Putin made his comments in a phone call with Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte before Friday’s first anniversary of the incident in which all 298 aboard were killed, many of them Dutch.
Rutte has said a U.N. tribunal would give “the best guarantee of cooperation from all countries” in seeking justice for the families of the victims. Russia disputes accusations that pro-Russian separatists fighting government forces in east Ukraine shot it down. …
The Netherlands is leading the criminal investigation, which is also assisted by Belgium, Australia and Ukraine. A final report on the cause of the crash is due to be released in October by the Dutch Safety Board. http://www.voanews.com/content/putin-says-un-tribunal-on-mh17-downing-premature/2864017.html
The basic US position seems to be that some that Russia has influence over who may have shot down the flight. The basic Russian position seems to be that some related to the government in Kiev did it. Either way, people died. We likely will see more details once the October report is finalized.
There basically is a claim by the west that Ukrainian separatist in the east caused the flight to be shot down, whereas in the east there is a claim that Kiev linked forces in the west shot the flight down.
A Separation of the Medes?
In other Ukrainian news, its parliament voted to approve a draft of a bill to grant the two eastern areas of Donetsk and Luhansk more autonomy:
July 16, 2014
KYIV—Ukraine’s parliament approved a draft law on Thursday to grant two separatist regions greater autonomy, a first step towards meeting the demands of a cease-fire agreement on the status of the pro-Russian self-styled “people’s republics.”President Petro Poroshenko submitted the bill to parliament after coming under pressure from Western leaders to grant the regions some powers of self-rule as part of the cease-fire deal agreed in the Belarussian capital Minsk in February.If the courts decide the law is constitutional, at least 300 of the 450 parliamentary deputies will need to back the bill in its final reading. The next session will be in the fall after a summer recess. http://www.voanews.com/content/reu-ukraine-passes-draft-bill-on-more-autonomy-for-east-regions/2864072.htmlJuly 16, 2015
According to the draft amendments, “a special law will regulate peculiarities of local self-government” in the districts, which are being held by Russian-backed separatists in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
Poroshenko submitted the bill to parliament on July 15 after coming under pressure from Western leaders to grant the areas some powers of self-rule as part of the cease-fire deal agreed in Minsk in February. http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-poroshenko-offers-autonomy-donbass-constitutional-change/27130239.html
Donetsk and Luhansk want to be independent of Kiev. They did not agree with the overthrow of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, did not like actions that the new government initially took, and other actions later. Many in Donetsk and Luhansk want to be closer with Russia, and some wish to be part of Russia. This upsets many in Kiev who fear that Ukraine will be permanently split. But a split now does exist between the western and eastern portions of Ukraine. And it is being made more formally as the vote on the draft recognition for more autonomy in the east demonstrates.
Kiev is interested in the European Union and the EU has demonstrated a history and willingness to enlarge–and it wants Ukraine. The U.S.A. keeps encouraging all of this, but this will not end well for the U.S.A. (cf. Daniel 11:39; Isaiah 10:5-11).
Of course, not all in Ukraine want to be part of the European Union, some prefer to be in Russia’s developing Eurasian Union,. Those that become disillusioned/disappointed by the EU may ultimately back out of it.
Notice also the following from the Bible related to the ‘Medes’:
1 The burden against Babylon which Isaiah the son of Amoz saw…
17 “Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them,
Who will not regard silver;
And as for gold, they will not delight in it.
18 Also their bows will dash the young men to pieces,
And they will have no pity on the fruit of the womb;
Their eye will not spare children.
19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms,
The beauty of the Chaldeans’ pride,
Will be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. (Isaiah 13:1, 17-19)11 Make the arrows bright!
Gather the shields!
The Lord has raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes.
For His plan is against Babylon to destroy it,
Because it is the vengeance of the Lord,
The vengeance for His temple. (Jeremiah 51:11)
The Medes were once in a land called Media, which was near Persia (modern Iran).
The Medes and the Russians seem to have shared some history. But it is not clear to many. Notice the following:
The history of the Medes is dark and unknown. — Dmitri Ivanovich Ilovaisky …
In linguistic terms, the Russians are identified as East Slavs, that is, speakers of East Slavic, which eventually evolved into three distinct languages: Greater Russian, often simply called Russian; Ukrainian; and White Russian, or Belorussian (Belarus). (Riasanovsky NV. Russian Identities : A Historical Survey: A Historical Survey. Oxford University Press, 2005, p.7)
Certain ancient historians wrote about the Medes:
Herodotus wrote that the Medes were beginning to settle in the Ukraine even in his time. He main-tained that there were people who ‘dressed in Median fashion’ that live ‘north of Thrace . . . beyond the Danube.’ (Slytie P. The Three Edens. Xulon Press, 2011, p. 784)
Pliny mentions “the river Don, where the inhabitants are … said to be descended from the Medes” (book 6, sec.11) (UKRAINE). (Hunt K. The Biblical Prophets for Today. iUniverse, 2011, p. 7)
Isaiah mentions a chariot drawn by asses, xxi. 7 ; and Herodotus, that the Medes used wild asses to draw their war-chariots ; both apparently referring to the dun variety, which can be traced even now in the Ukraine, (Lizars WH. W.H. Lizars, 1866. Original from the New York Public Library, Digitized Dec 4, 2009, p. 110)
Herodotus lived in the fifth century B.C. and has been called “the father of history.” Pliny was a first century A.D. Roman nobleman and historian. Isaiah 21:2 is a reference to the Medes, hence there seems to be a tie into at least some part of Ukraine.
Some of the Russians themselves appear to have been from the Medes. Notice the following account:
But how are we to explain the name Russia? The old-fashioned view was to derive the word from the Rhoxolani. This, however, has long been abandoned. One thing is certain, namely, that these Rhoxolani were of Oriental descent, a Medic or Iranic tribe. They disappear from history, having, like so many other tribes — as, for instance, the Pechenegs and the Khozars—been swallowed up by the huge waves of immigration which overflowed the country (Morfill WR. Russia. Published 1890 by T.F. Unwin, London).
There are many disputes among academics as to who derived from whom, thus it is not completely clear, for example, that the Rhoxolani were Medes who went to Russia. The Bible has several end time prophecies concerning the Medes (Isaiah 13:17-19) and the kings of the Medes (Jeremiah 51:11, 28-29) that involve military action. Various ones in Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Russia, and elsewhere are part of the descendants of the Medes, as likely are some in Moldova.
However, if the Rhoxolani were Medes, then it would seem to be consistent with certain biblical prophecies.
Notice also the following:
Today the people who constituted the empire of the Medes may be found in western Russia, specifically the Ukraine and Volhynia. (White C. The Great German Nation: Origins and Destiny. AuthorHouse, 2007, p. 285)
While some/many in Ukraine descended from the Medes, so have some/many in Russia.
Biblically, because of prophecies involving the Medes, some of which are in Ukraine, and some in the “north and east” in Daniel 11:44, it would seem that Russia (a power of the “far north” Ezekiel 38:3,6) would be closer to at least parts of Ukraine (like some of the eastern portions of it) than many realize. (There is also a YouTube video available titled Ukraine in Prophecy?)
In the the past couple of years, we seem to have be seeing a separation of peoples in Ukraine. Perhaps a separation between those who are more with a background from the Medes with those that are less so.
The situation in Ukraine remains volatile and tense. Bible prophecy does show that a Russian-led Eurasian confederation will ultimately form (for details, see The Eurasian Union, the Kings of the East, and Bible Prophecy).
Also, however, a European power will form according to Bible prophecy. It is prophesied to dominate the world (Revelation 13:1-10) and world events, and the USA. But ultimately be in conflict with a power including Russia (Daniel 11:44).
We seem to be witnessing a separation in Ukraine that may align with all of this.
Some items of possibly related interest may include:
Russia and Ukraine: Origins and Prophesied Future Where do the Russians come from? What about those in the Ukraine? What is prophesied for Russia and its allies? What will they do to the Europeans that supported the Beast in the end? You can also watch the short video Ukraine in Prophecy?
Russia in the Bible and in Prophecy Is Russia mentioned in the Bible? It it is where is it? Is there any evidence of a people moving to the land that the Russians now occupy? What do Catholic and other prophecies say about Russia? What does the Bible teach? How are Protestants often in error on this? Is there more in biblical prophecy for Russia than war? Does God have a plan to save Russia and her allies? Does Russia have a history involving Sabbath keepers? Does scripture tie Russia in with Armageddon? Will Russia help defeat the end time Babylonian power? What did the Apostle John, and the prophets Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Daniel, write about Russia? This is a sermon-length video.
Bible News Prophecy July-Sept. 2014: The Coming Eurasian Union Here is the latest magazine from the Continuing Church of God. The cover of which shows Vladimir Putin and features an article about the coming Eurasian Union.
When Will the Great Tribulation Begin? 2014, 2015, or 2016? Can the Great Tribulation begin today? What happens before the Great Tribulation in the “beginning of sorrows”? What happens in the Great Tribulation and the Day of the Lord? Is this the time of the Gentiles? When is the earliest that the Great Tribulation can begin? What is the Day of the Lord? Who are the 144,000? Here is a version of the article in the Spanish language: ¿Puede comenzar la Gran Tribulación en 2013 o 2014? ¿Es el Tiempo de los Gentiles? You can also see the English language sermon video: The Great Tribulation from the Mount of Olives.
The ‘Peace Deal’ of Daniel 9:27 This prophecy could give up to 3 1/2 years advance notice of the coming Great Tribulation. Will most ignore or misunderstand its fulfillment? Here is a link to a related sermon video Daniel 9:27 and the Start of the Great Tribulation.
Wars, rumors of wars, and the Apocalypse Jesus foretold a time before the end where there would be wars and rumors of wars. The Apocalypse (the Book of Revelation) warns of the red horseman of war. Now, even secular writers, like Larry Edelson, are worried that wars and rumors of war are the most menacing problem that now haunts the earth? Are they right? What is the solution? This is a sermonette-length video.
Is Russia the King of the North? Some claim it is. But what does the Bible teach? Here is a link to a video, also titled Is Russia the King of the North?
Europa, the Beast, and Revelation Where did Europe get its name? What might Europe have to do with the Book of Revelation? What about “the Beast”? Is an emerging European power “the daughter of Babylon”? What is ahead for Europe? Here is a link to a video titled: Can You Prove that the Beast to Come is European?
The Eurasian Union, the Kings of the East, and Bible Prophecy Is there a Eurasian union that will be formed? Is one being formed right now? Are any leaders working on that in the 21st century? Does the Bible teach that there will be a Eurasian union? If some type of Eurasian union is formed, who might it benefit and who will it destroy? A related video would be Is The Eurasian Union Rising?
Who is the King of the North? Is there one? Do biblical and Roman Catholic prophecies for the Great Monarch point to the same leader? Should he be followed? Who will be the King of the North discussed in Daniel 11? Is a nuclear attack prophesied to happen to the English-speaking peoples of the United States, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand? When do the 1335 days, 1290 days, and 1260 days (the time, times, and half a time) of Daniel 12 begin? When does the Bible show that economic collapse will affect the United States? In the Spanish language check out ¿Quién es el Rey del Norte? Here is a link to a video titled: The Future King of the North.
The ‘Peace Deal’ of Daniel 9:27 This prophecy could give up to 3 1/2 years advance notice of the coming Great Tribulation. Will most ignore or misunderstand its fulfillment? Here is a link to a related sermon video Daniel 9:27 and the Start of the Great Tribulation.
Hillary Clinton in Prophecy Prophecy, Hillary Clinton? Are there prophecies that Hillary Clinton may fulfill? Are there any prophecies that she has already helped fulfill? Could Hillary Clinton be apocalyptic? Could Hillary Clinton be the final Antichrist?
Prophecy Obama: Prophecies of Barack Obama? Reasons why Barack Obama is apocalyptic and reasons why Barack Obama is not the Antichrist. This article includes many biblical and non-biblical prophecies, from around the world, that seem to discuss Barack Obama. Did Nostradamus predict Barack Obama dealing with the Antichrist? Might Barack Obama set the stage for the kings of the North and South as at least one Shiite prophecy suggests? Read it and decide for yourself if President Obama seems to be fulfilling various prophecies. Watch also the YouTube Barack Obama and the State of the Apocalypse.
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